You’re no dummy. They met interesting people in the music business, but offered themselves up as slaves to many of the criminal men and bikers who partied with them and Manson. It just all comes together, all these things. White man would kill white man. Did you sharpen some of the knives up there (Unintelligible) edge (Unintelligible) the guys told you how to do it and you — you did it.Most of the ones I’ve seen had the black handles on them.Who — who did the sharpening, then, if you didn’t do it?Who else do you remember seeing, off the top of your head? Now the other two, I think one of the others was Katie —Actually none of the girls seem like they would do something like that.That was about Mid-September, right, when you guys went up there?She didn’t have to wait I don’t think for her to take you up to Barker Ranch.She told you about it when they got back or he did or somebody did that was there.You — ah — you didn’t have to wait long.
And it’s, “When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide; then I turn around and I go for a ride,” and it’s coming down fast, “Helter Skelter.” And then when we read in the Bible, it said about the four-headed locusts. But, it was like the same faces that would come and go.So, I figured it was a pretty good deal cause — ah — San Francisco was horrible.It’s pretty easy to get one ride from San Francisco to L. A.Well, apparently, Charlie and — ah — Tex — He was there when you got there, was he?What other men were there that you remember when you got there?In fact, I don’t really ever remember him actually living there.Now, the girls that were there, all the girls you were arrested with, in addition to — to — ah — some of the guys —I thought there was a motorcycle club that came up there, too, during the Summer of this year.There was a lot of weapons up there, a lot of guns and a lot of knives and stuff.And the girls were to hide these weapons and, more or less, take charge of some of the weapons, not all of the weapons.Some of them were in an arsenal and some of them were taken by the girls.Apparently, the ones that they used in crimes and such would be taken down to some place and buried by the girls.I don’t remember — you know — names of rifles and stuff like that.There was a machine gun and that’s about all I remember as far as the — you know (Unintelligible)Well, Charlie had a handgun that’s been described to me — people seeing it and such.Do you remember that handgun that he practiced with?But, I remember — ah — one time, a couple of Straight Satans came over and they brought over guns.And I remember they were all standing out there and shooting.I didn’t personally — you know — check them out, because I wasn’t that interested, since (Unintelligible) was one of the group (Unintelligible) and of theirs —In other words, they were not (Unintelligible) some of the girls went out with credit cards and bought — bought a whole bunch of pretty good knives — some real good knives.They were expensive knives they bought with stolen credit cards.Were you one of the girls that went out and bought the knives?So — ah — you know — I was sort of walking around in a —I’d wake up just enough to go to the restroom and I’d black out again.So, I really don’t know too much of what was going on.Some with ivory handles — you know — some with (Unintelligible) around them.There were some with blades that went this way, and some with blades that went straight up — all kinds.Do you have any idea (Unintelligible) what a clasp knife is?The one I’m referring to is larger than the normal pocketknife.In total length, it would be about maybe ten inches, with a blade of maybe four or five, and the handle four or five inches. Same tone and inflection of feeling.